Well,
good afternoon,
everybody.
And welcome to day five of our British Science Week.
And today is all about accessibility.
I'm joined here by five amazing panellists who are going to answer some of your questions on that topic.
So I hope you've had a chance to watch some of the content on the website today.
Maybe even try some of activities.
Just a reminder.
Um,
if you want to ask a question,
you can use the Q and A button,
which is at the bottom of the screen.
If you,
um,
click Q and A and you'll be able to type in your answer your questions and we will answer as many of
those as we can during the session.
Um,
just to give you a chance to think about your questions,
what I'm going to do now is ask all of our fantastic panellists to introduce themselves.
So,
Anya,
can I start with you,
please?
Of course.
So my name is Anna.
I'm a third year PhD student at the University of Cambridge as part of the inclusive
design group.
And for me,
um,
accessibility means creating designs that can be used by as many people as
reasonably possible.
Thank you.
Super.
Thank you.
Any Would you like to go next?
Sure.
Thank you.
My name is so and I'm the accessibility manager.
Uh,
at Bt at bt group for the consumer Digital.
I have been working at BT for about three years.
Um,
I have more than 20 years experience.
I didn't expect actually to end up in a career in a digital accessibility,
but I I I you know,
I I joined this career.
Um,
um,
due to my interest on technology,
but also my passion for communication and my,
uh,
willingness to to make sure that everyone has access,
um,
to communication to to,
uh,
be able to communicate and be able to to also,
uh,
receive communication.
Brilliant.
Thank you.
And you say,
John,
would you like to go next?
Thanks,
Carol.
Um,
so,
uh,
good afternoon,
everyone.
Um,
my name is John Bicknell.
Um,
I've worked in BT for about 18 years.
Um,
most recently in applied research.
Um,
in my role,
we tend to look at the future of communications future of TV and,
uh,
media delivery.
Um,
of which accessibility really has a very major role to play in both
fantastic Thank you,
John and Callum.
Would you like to go next?
Yeah,
sure.
So Hi,
everyone.
I'm Callum Stoneman.
Um,
I've been completely blind from birth,
so,
uh and that's that's kind of the reason why I haven't got my camera on as well.
Apologies for that.
But it's,
uh it's just easier,
because I can't see it.
So you probably just end up looking at the absolute mess behind me instead of looking at me.
Um,
so,
yeah,
And Callum,
As I said,
I've been completely blind from birth,
and I work for BT as well.
I'm in Rene's team as a digital accessibility specialist,
and,
um,
I've always had a bit of an interest in accessibility,
uh,
due to my blindness because it actually affects me.
So,
you know,
if a service or an app isn't accessible with a screen reader,
then um then I'm unable to use it,
so that's where my interest comes from.
My background has actually nothing to do with accessibility.
I am from quite a technical background.
Um,
my background is actually in cyber security and computer networking,
and I started off in BT a couple of years ago as a network designer And then at the start
of 2022 I got promoted into the the accessibility team
and I I work for BT as,
um,
as an accessibility specialist.
So that's me Brilliant.
Thank you,
Callum.
Now,
Sam,
I think it's been having some technical difficulties.
I'm just checking.
Sam,
can you hear me?
If you can.
Would you like to introduce yourself?
I think I don't think we've quite got Sam in yet.
So we'll introduce him when he manages to join hopefully a bit later into the webinar.
So in the meantime,
we've had some questions coming in already.
So a huge thank you to all of those who,
um,
who have sent those in already.
Um,
first question,
this is what I'm actually gonna ask all of you.
Because this is a fantastic question that's coming from the poppy class.
And it is Is there one particular innovation product or tool that you'd like to
see available in the future?
Um,
John,
can I start with you on that one,
please?
Absolutely.
So,
um yeah.
One of one of the things that we look at in TV delivery is how can we move away from just
transmitting everyone the same thing.
How can we give them more flexibility?
And actually,
this is We don't tend to think of accessibility in terms of an access service.
We tend to think of it in terms of personalization.
So what I'd really like to see in future is for all of us to have this ability for personalised
experiences and that actually gives us the flexibility to give much better
services that we've traditionally termed as accessible.
So in that sense,
it's called object based broadcasting.
I think that sounds like when we're all gonna go and search when we,
um when we finish the webinar to find out exactly what it is.
Thank you,
John.
Um,
Anya,
what about you?
Is there any particular kind of innovation or product that you'd like to see for me?
I would say it's not a specific product as such,
but my great works are inclusive design,
and for me,
it's kind of that thinking about visualisation and thinking about when we design new
products,
if there could be that mindset in mind where we could look at how we're putting designs
together and really think about visually how people are going to receive it.
So the size of text and from and to make those things a little bit more consistent.
And I think that would make it a bit more accessible for the wider population in general.
So not a specific product as such,
but how we approach kind of.
That's one thing I would really like to see.
Kind of a future design.
Thank you,
Lovely.
Thank you very much.
Anya.
Callum.
How about you?
Is there a particular innovation or service or product that you would like to see?
I I have to agree with,
uh,
with everything that AA has said.
To be completely honest,
it's not a specific product or a specific innovation,
but what we tend to see is that accessibility is often the the
last item on the list,
the last item on the agenda if it's even thought about at all.
And when you get to that point,
you really you really do struggle to build accessibility into a product later
on down the line.
Or once you get to the you can't just sort of get go to a finished product and go right.
Let's make this accessible.
It's got to be thought about from the start,
so it's not an innovation as such,
but having it thought about from the start and having it considered the whole
way through the development and even the the life cycle of a product or an app or
service,
as we tend to work on in BT,
um,
that I think would be would be game changing for for where we are at the minute with accessibility.
Lovely.
Thank you,
Callum.
And when you say what about you?
Yeah,
I I don't disagree with anyone that actually I agree.
If there was,
like,
a way to for instance,
uh,
you know,
um,
getting people to have prompts every time they are producing anything
online Could be an email.
Could be like a word document they are going to share electronically or,
you know,
a a message on social social media Get a prompt so that they can
actually consider and think about if,
uh,
you know,
if they have embedded accessibility from the start before they actually publish and and we
we have seen that happening already,
it's not quite,
uh,
you know,
perfect.
But we we are seeing Sometimes their,
um,
accessibility is becoming more and more mainstream.
Wonderful.
Thank you.
Um,
and I've got another question here which I'm going to ask to you,
Um,
when you say,
if I may And it's coming from Oberon class.
So thank you guys for your question.
And it is Are there any laws or rules about digital accessibility?
Yes,
there are.
I'm so glad you asked me that.
Um,
so the first thing to to look into it,
um,
is the,
uh we have the United Nations.
Um uh,
convention on the rights of persons with disabilities on the article
99.
It actually establishes the,
um basically access.
Um,
to to the web is a human,
right?
Yeah,
there's no question about that.
And,
um,
and our legislation,
um,
are all over the the the word.
About 84% of the country,
or maybe more.
Now they have legislation,
uh,
that relates to to accessibility in the UK.
The quality act specifies the disabled people.
They have the right to access services to access goods
and the web.
And there is not nothing more than a service.
And it is a very essential service.
And and we we you know,
we we actually you know,
there's no way that we can deal of this anymore.
Especially after the lockdown.
Uh,
where so many people depended on having the access to the
web to actually,
uh,
continue,
uh,
with,
uh,
with their routine as much as as it was possible,
uh,
considering the situation,
but keep in touch with people,
um,
getting their medicines,
getting their their groceries,
uh,
and all the things that you need to to to maintain life and to continue
education,
like,
you know,
a lot of those students there who joined today.
I'm sure you had the experience of studying from home during the lockdown.
Uh,
at the same time that your parents were working from home as well.
So,
um,
and in fact,
I I I I just want to I may be digressing a little bit.
We got to that point of being able to have such,
you know,
the remote access because disabled campaigners actually
campaigned.
They actually campaigned for that for many,
many,
many years.
So we want that to them that during the lockdown,
we are able to have the technology to to actually continue.
Uh,
you know,
we doing the best that we could um
so we have the quality Act 2010 in the UK.
Uh,
there is also the UK regulations.
Um,
on public services they actually establish is very clear that
everything that you do produce on the web or for apps they might,
um,
they they have to meet the four principles of accessibility,
which is perceivable,
um,
oar understandable and robust.
So if you just remember,
poor perceivable means that you have,
You know,
anyone,
regardless of any disabilities they need to be able to receive the
content,
operable anyone regardless,
If they use the mouse or if they use the keyboard or any other type of assistive
technology,
they need to be able to operate the web.
Understandable.
It is clear for everyone and robust meanings that it can work with
any browsers.
It can work with any operating systems with,
and and also with assist assistive technologies.
So,
um,
and the UK regulations on Web accessibility also
establishes that we must comply with the level AA of work,
which is the Web content accessibility guidelines.
Those are the international standards for the web.
Um,
you can go do that very easily.
Uh,
you might find the uh,
Web content,
access accessibility guidelines.
A bit complex.
Um,
but there are other websites that have attempted to translate and
make it easy for people to to learn those guidelines.
That's brilliant.
Thank you for that answer.
So,
um,
I'm gonna move on to another question.
That's,
um,
actually no sorry.
Before I move on to another question,
I'm pleased to say that Sam has joined us.
And I think,
Sam,
your technical difficulties,
um,
hopefully are over.
Um,
Sam,
would you like to just quickly introduce yourself to everyone and say something about what accessibility means to you?
Yeah,
sure.
So,
uh,
Sam Waller.
I'm a senior researcher here in the engineering department at the University of Cambridge.
I look at inclusive design.
Um,
and for about the last 15 years,
I have been,
uh,
looking at how you can measure people's vision capability to understand the variation of vision ability in
the population and how you can look at a website or a mobile app or anything and see how
much vision you need in order to be able to perceive the text and the icons and so on within
the interface.
Uh,
I get involved in best practise guidelines for text and icons and,
uh,
all things Web and digital related and lots on,
uh,
e-commerce images.
Um,
and for me,
I think accessibility.
It starts in a strange place,
which is to imply that there's a small subset of the population that needs special treatment,
and therefore we need accessibility in order to help these particular people who are on a certain side of
a line in the sand,
which we call being disabled.
Um,
I would prefer to see accessibility,
meaning for all people that all people,
regardless of any temporary or situational impediments or just because you're
knackered or because you've got a child in one hand or any sorts of reasons,
um,
that people might not have what you would call like full capacity,
such as,
you know that every,
um,
but it's unfortunate that's not the way accessibility is typically used.
And if you look at the Web content accessibility guidelines,
they are very heavily screen reader focused and very heavily alt
text um focused for your images and these sorts of things.
And yet,
if you take a basic thing that everybody needs,
it's a minimum text size.
There is no minimum text size in the Web content accessibility guidelines,
You can have the smallest text you could possibly want.
That's well beyond the human vision.
And you can ace the Web content accessibility guidelines at like the AAA top
level,
because screen readers can interpret your text that is beyond the limit of human vision.
And you can have your icons on your interface to be beyond the limit of human
vision.
But as long as those icons have got an all text,
as far as classical accessibility goes,
you can ace it.
So I think it's a shame in a way that this that this situation exists.
But I would like to see accessibility,
meaning all people.
I would like to see a minimum text size and a minimum icon size,
And I would like to see,
um,
you know,
all people benefiting from more accessible websites.
Brilliant.
Thank you very much,
Sam.
Um,
and this this question actually,
um,
goes on quite nicely.
And I'm actually gonna ask this one to Callum because I suspect Callum may have some,
um,
first hand experience of this Callum.
This is coming from the year six serious class and the question is,
how do screen readers work?
And I wonder if actually,
you could also tell us For anyone who's not aware what a screen reader is,
please.
Yeah,
sure.
So,
um,
a screen metre.
In its simplest form,
it is what it it is what it says on the tin,
Really,
it reads out everything on the screen.
So in my case,
I can't see my my screen at all.
And in fact,
most of the time I just have my screen turned off because it saves.
You know,
my my system performance,
and it saves my battery life.
So,
um,
as I navigate around the in this case,
for example,
the zoom window.
But it could be anything.
It could be a website.
It could be an app.
It could be my emails.
It could be my social media.
It's,
um,
it reads it out and reads out what's on the screen in in text form,
and most of the time that works really well.
But there are times where,
for example,
if there's an image with no alt text,
which is basically a a description of the image that screen readers can pick up on,
then it won't tell me what that image is.
It will just say image,
which is,
uh,
which is obviously not very helpful.
So,
um so that's the way that they work.
They work by looking at the code In the case of a website.
They work by looking at the code the HTML code specifically and interpreting
that and translating the content from a visual form to a a text form and
an audio form,
which is probably a bit of an over complicated way of of describing it.
But But that's basically what they do.
And,
um,
on the the the PC side,
So on Mac and Windows,
Uh,
I don't use the mouse at all.
It's all done by keyboard shortcuts.
So every interaction that I have when I'm on the computer is entirely by the
keyboard and on touch screens.
So on I,
OS and Android,
there are different gestures that you can use to navigate around.
So,
for example,
you can tap anywhere on the screen on.
If you're on the I OS or android,
you can tap anywhere on the touch screen,
and it will tell you what's under your finger,
and then you can double tap to activate that particular app or
link or button or whatever.
You've just,
uh,
just tapped on.
And there are loads of other things you can do and gestures and shortcuts and
fancy things you can set up to never get around quicker.
But that's a a kind of really quick overview.
If if that helps,
that's brilliant.
Thank you very much,
Callum.
And you also answered another question which had come in.
I think that was from a class,
which was what is old text?
So I've I That's very helpful.
Thank you.
That you do with one.
Um,
the next question that's coming in is coming from McLeod.
Um,
John,
I'm gonna send this one over to you,
and it says,
What technology have you worked on that?
To make things accessible.
Have you ever worked on anything that failed?
Um,
I said that the the the second question first,
um,
yes.
I've worked on things that have failed during their,
um,
initial development,
and then we've had to bring them back on track.
Um,
so so an example of that,
Um,
in the UK,
we have a really wonderful service,
um,
text relay,
which allows,
um the hard of hearing and speech impaired to communicate with other people over the phone.
Um,
and there was This used to be based on really quite old clunky technology.
We have a quirky keyboard.
It was not very flexible.
Um,
and this development was to,
um,
change that and allow people to access that service via tablets via P CS
laptops,
modern devices.
Um,
and lots of things went wrong with it behind the scenes initially so that we
rapidly had to make that work.
And we we did eventually and the product was launched.
So that was that was incredibly incredibly satisfying thing to support.
Um,
in terms of just one example,
I guess,
of something that we're working we have been working on.
Um,
and I think this plays a lot into the conversation of accessibility.
Be covering ranges of things.
You know,
you can have categories of people that are hard of hearing or or visually impaired,
but there's an infinite range within that,
um,
so in one of the,
um,
the concepts that we're looking at for personalization is in helping,
uh,
colour blind people.
So,
uh,
red blind colour blindness is really common.
Um If you imagine trying to watch a football match where you've got one team in a red strip and
one team in a green strip,
how on earth can you tell them apart?
They'll be completely confused.
Um,
but what if you can tweak the colouring ever so slightly So it doesn't really affect the picture for
people that aren't colour blind that allows people that are colour blind to differentiate between players.
So that's an example of one of the technologies that we're working on at the moment.
Fantastic.
John,
that sounds very exciting.
Um,
next question,
I'm gonna I'm gonna,
um,
ask this one of you,
Anya,
if I may.
And it's coming from class.
Um,
and it is how can we improve accessibility in our school?
Um so I think it's about looking really at what there is in your school.
And I think it's about talking and seeing what the kind of range of users needs are.
And I think the good thing about it is that by looking at that kind of user and looking at the
different type of people that are in the school and really listening to What is it that they need
that might might be able to improve.
And then you can see what ways in which you can improve the accessibility in your school.
Um,
and I'd like to also get Sam involved in this in this question because I'm sure Sam's
very knowledgeable as well.
So,
Sam,
what do you think about it?
I think taking that kind of user centred approach is a good way to start.
Uh,
yeah,
for sure.
I mean,
it's a question of what technologies people need to access in order to be able to
get access to the education that your school is trying to deliver.
So that's the sort of first question,
and that might be websites.
It might be PowerPoint presentations.
It might be,
uh,
teams,
channels or work is set remotely.
So that's really the first question.
Is listing out the sort of the technology requirements that the expectation is that
students will interact with.
And then if it's things like power point slides displayed on screens,
then you've got is the choice of colour.
Sensible,
um,
is the text and the icons big enough that people are able to perceive it from anywhere where they sit in the
classroom.
Um,
and then if you're looking at,
uh,
more,
um,
computer based learning tools like remote learning platforms like teams or,
um,
mobile sites.
Um,
then obviously,
the Web content accessibility guidelines is a good place to start to make sure that they are
screen reader compatible and keyboard navigable.
They're the sort of first entry level checks.
Um,
the easiest thing to do is press the tab key on your keyboard and check Check that you can cycle through all of the links.
Um,
and activate those links with the enter key.
That's like a sort of entry level bit that you can check,
Um,
which is a really good sort of check to be able to do.
Um,
And then if you're going beyond that,
then you're looking at sort of icons and text sizes within those websites.
Um,
to check that they are big enough that,
uh,
you know,
most people can can can be able to see them quickly and easily.
Fantastic.
Some fantastic tips there,
Sam.
Thank you very much for that.
Um,
and next question,
and I'm I'm going to leave this one open to anyone who would who would like to answer to because I suspect there could be some multiple examples.
And it's coming again from Lindsay.
So thank you,
Lindsay.
Um,
do you know of any disabilities that don't have any accessible tools to help them?
So I guess are there any gaps there that that that would need some people to kind of work out how to how to make
things more accessible for particular groups?
OK,
I can say everyone's thinking.
Yeah,
I'll have a go for that one.
Um,
so there are.
There's an emerging area of interest on the viewing of
display screens that are emission displays.
So that's a monitor that emits light out of your eyes.
And,
uh,
the visual stress is the phenomenon that I'm talking about,
and it it it affects some people more than others.
But when some people look at stripy,
dis stripy features on visual displays,
they get headaches.
Um,
and some people get it more than others.
And some colour combinations of text um,
affect some people more than others.
Um,
I've certainly been noticing now that I've looked into it,
that if I'm staring at my black pure black text on a pure white screen for a long time I can
start to feel like my brain just doesn't like it.
And if I switch my colour scheme so that I get pale blue text on a black screen instead,
it just sort of looks so much calmer.
Um,
there's been a whole raft of things sort of starting from print,
with people going with white page backgrounds that people thought it was better to have monitors that could have
white backgrounds.
Remember?
Do you remember anyone who remembers the 19 eighties 1919 monitors?
They were actually like green text on a black background.
And then people were like,
Whoa,
now we can do so much more advanced.
We can do white text,
uh,
sorry.
White backgrounds with black text.
And now people are actually realising that your visual system doesn't like it.
It it It's adapted to spot lions and tigers moving around in forests.
Um,
and when your visual system gets thrown,
light shone directly at it.
Bright white light with black bits in it,
Um,
it doesn't like it.
So you've got a whole load of guidance saying you need lots of contrast.
You need very,
very strong contrast.
You know,
you'd almost think pure black on pure white is the best you can get for your power points like deck.
But then you're actually getting a bit of a counter argument.
They're saying,
actually,
that can cause headaches.
And we need to understand how much contrast is enough contrast,
because if you've got too low contrast,
people can't see it.
But if you've got too high contrast,
people get headaches.
So there are tools that people are trying to come out with now.
And we're looking at this in our research group to say,
Can you actually analyse this?
The properties of a scene that's on a computer screen and understand which bits
of that might be causing some people visual stress?
And it's trying to get that balance of How can we give people guidance of how much contrast do you
really need?
And how much contrast is too much contrast and which particular stripy patterns
on a website can cause,
uh,
trigger reactions.
Fantastic.
Thank you,
Sam.
Um Oh,
excuse me.
Uh,
next question.
That's that's come in.
I'm going to ask this one to you,
Callum,
if I may.
And it's if someone has two disabilities,
for example,
maybe they might be blind and deaf.
Are there services that would still make it possible for them to use a computer?
Yeah,
absolutely.
So,
um,
in the case of blind and deaf or hearing impaired,
there is also a Braille displays.
So I I have one of these as well.
I'm not hearing impaired myself,
But I,
um I do have a Braille display and that ties in with the screen reader to
display what's on the computer screen in Braille.
So if you think of the the monitors that you guys have got,
they're plugged into your computer or maybe built into your computer and that that show what's on your
screen.
A Braille display does that,
but in,
um,
in Braille forms,
So that could be a You know,
Braille is the the system of raised dots that allow blind and partially sighted
people to to read using their their fingers.
So there's that available for people who are blind and,
um,
also hearing hearing impaired as well.
Um,
I can't think of any specific examples of the off the top of my head,
but yeah,
there's a There's a lot of this sort of thing services that can work together to,
um to help people with with multiple disabilities.
Absolutely fantastic.
Thank you very much,
Callum.
Now,
I'm afraid to say we're actually coming quite close to the end of our webinar today.
Um,
But before we go,
I wanted to ask each of the panellists if they,
um,
could give them some advice back to their younger Selves.
Um,
briefly,
what would that advice be?
Uh,
John,
could I start with you,
please?
Sure.
I I'll keep it brief.
Um,
don't be afraid to do things that are outside of your comfort zone.
That's great advice.
Thank you.
John.
What about you?
That's a very tricky question.
Because,
um,
always it's for us to think about time travelling.
Yeah.
We will think like,
Well,
it doesn't quite work,
but we always wonder.
Maybe someday it's gonna work.
And maybe someone in my future my venture in the future has been travelling
back and has been giving advice to myself.
Have I been following that advice or not?
But,
you know,
the point that I'm making is I'm pretty happy with my life now,
so I wouldn't give an advice.
I would actually just say I'm proud of you.
Just continue to be curious.
Just continue.
Um,
keep going,
you know,
and believe in yourself.
Brilliant.
Thank you.
And I thought you were gonna tell us that you had actually been visited by someone from the future There.
It was gonna be a world exclusive,
but,
um,
sadly,
not or not that we know of anyway.
Um,
Anya,
how about you?
I would say Don't worry too much about figuring out what it is that you want to do in the
future.
Spend some time just looking at different things.
Think about what you don't like doing and then help that.
Let that help guide what it is that you want to do in the future.
But don't worry too much.
Super.
Thank you.
Anya and Sam.
How about you?
Mine's a bit more technical than everybody else's.
Um,
about 10 years ago,
I found out that there's this thing called visual basic for applications,
which is the code that sits behind word PowerPoint and excel.
And if you're brave enough to press alt F 11,
you can get into the visual basic environment and you can start writing your own code,
which means that you can make your own magic buttons in word,
Excel and PowerPoint.
And a great deal of the revenue that supports my salary actually comes from
applications that I've developed excel spreadsheets or PowerPoint toolbars that I can then
licence access to.
And I've got my own custom buttons that do anything and everything.
Uh,
I make websites in word I make all sorts of features in power point.
So I just wish I knew about that sooner because my whole life changed when I literally started spending
most of my time actually programming buttons rather than doing any work.
Um,
and it went rather well.
Fantastic.
Thank you,
Sam.
Uh,
and finally,
Callum.
What advice would you give your younger self?
I think,
um,
not be afraid to take risks and don't feel like you.
You have to stay on a specific career path.
I mean,
for me,
I had,
Although accessibility obviously means a lot to me,
I had no intentions of going into it as a full time career.
As I said,
I was always really passionate about cybersecurity,
and I still am,
you know,
and I still follow the industry really closely,
and I still get involved in things that are related to that.
But for me,
the opportunity came along and,
you know,
for me personally,
it was a natural fit.
But it was a huge risk for me to to take,
because it's a it's still technical,
but it's a completely different career path.
Um,
but the opportunity came to me and I thought,
You know,
well,
let's see how this goes.
Let's see what it's all about.
So,
yeah,
don't feel like if you if you've settled down one path,
don't feel like you have to stick to that brilliant Some
fantastic advice from our panellists.
I want to say a huge thank you to you all for joining us today and the whole week and a big
thank you to our five panellists to an Sam,
Callum and John for answering your very tricky questions.
Brilliantly,
Those questions we haven't answered.
We'll take those away,
and we'll put some answers to them on the website,
so keep checking back later.
Um,
so it's been an amazing British science week.
I'm very sad that today is the last day we've covered so many different topics sustainability,
extended reality,
digital banking space,
and then today,
accessibility all of the content will stay on our website.
All of the activity packs anything you haven't had a chance to try or watch yet.
Please go back and have a look.
It's not going anywhere.
We would absolutely love to see what you've been doing and thank you to those who've already sent us some
pictures.
You can tweet us at a astral park and use the hashtag BS W 23 or,
if you prefer,
you can email those to US computer science at BT dot com,
and we'd really love to,
um,
we'd really love to see you,
um,
to see what you've been up to,
if you would.
If you're happy to share that with us,
and and don't forget again to check out the website today,
particularly the accessibility content that's on there.
There are profile cards with lots of different people talking about their careers and and the sorts of different jobs that they're
doing in in accessibility today and things you can have a go at in the activity pack.
So thank you very much to everyone for joining today and we hope to see you next year for British Science
Week 2024.
Bye